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May 04, 2012

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Chris Hughes

Thank you for sharing Steve. I'm at the Baptist church right down the road in Elkin. I can only imagine this is tough as pastor and I think this is very courageous!

Old Jean

Steve, you the man! Is this ever good! One of the best statements I've seen, and I've read lots of excellent ones. Even had a much shorter one myself in the Gbo N&R last month, noting that the NC Council of Churches is opposing this Amendment as well. My argument, and that of the Council's, falls into line with yours: discrimination, inequality, against the state Constitution's principles, etc. etc. Yay for you. We'll know fer sher next Tuesday evening when the votes are all counted. Holding my breath . . . but I'm so glad to know you as a colleague and person of fine words.
Jean Rodenbough -- Salem Presbytery

bill

You are so right, that love is Jesus' message! However, please do not confuse tolerance and love. Yes, Jesus showed love to the prostitute at the well, he showed love to the tax collector when he dined at his house. But concerning their sin, he forgave them and told them to SIN NO MORE. He did not say go and live in any manner that you feel like.
I, like yourself, am a sinner. I confess and do my best to not repeat my shortcomings. therein lies the distinction; acknowledging sin and asking forgiveness vs. "redefining sin" to suit mankind. The bible warns of moral decay and specifically calls out love of money and sexual immorality as two biggies. Yes - homosexuality is identified as sexual immorality.
This proposed Amendment may be redundant, and I don't know that it is necessary, yet to defend your stance by citing Jesus's message of love ignores his sheer hatred of ALL sin. While I am more concerned about my sin and overcoming it, disregarding biblical standards is not love.

Steve Lindsley

Thanks for your response, Bill. My only comment to yours is that I would disagree with your assessment that love of money and sexual immorality are the "biggies" of sin in the Bible. As I mentioned in my post, just by the sheer number of verses, the more significant sin is reserved for those people of faith who fail to tend to the "least of these" and ignore the plight of the oppressed and vulnerable in our midst. I imagine we'll continue to disagree on this, but I'm glad that we are unified in the message of Jesus' love. Thanks for your thoughts!

Chuck L

Bill, if you think there is even the slightest chance that this Amendment is redundant or unnecessary, you should vote Against amending our constitution--that would be the case no matter what the issue. I believe in all constitutional amendments, the burden of proof is on the "Pro" side to **prove beyond the shadow of a doubt** why changing the constitution is necessary, prudent, and the right thing for the state (or country). This amendment fails that is so many ways: it is legally vague; the wording is poor and refers to "domestic legal unions" which are not used anywhere in case law, and the bill that led to this was rushed through the Legislature one morning last September with no public comment allowed. And yes, the part about same-sex marriage is redundant.

So I hope you will vote Against (or at least abstain from voting FOR) this amendment despite your beliefs. It is a LEGAL, not RELIGIOUS matter, and only civil unions (between same-sex and opposite-sex couples) would be affected. Regardless of the outcome, gay marriage will remain illegal in NC.

Pat Paschall (Cathy McCluskey's Mom)

Thank you, Steve. You've said it perfectly. this amendment just drives another wedge between people instead of bringing us closer together in God's love.

Lauren

Very courageous, thank you for sharing. I'll be sharing it with my friends.

Lauren

You know, my big question is, where are all the people demanding their churches quite allowing divorce and remarriage, because Jesus DID speak to that as a threat to marriage. People seem to like to choose the sin they didn't commit (at least not that anyone knows) and decide that's the "worst" sin.

Ashley Wood

I am so happy to hear someone tell it like it is. Thank you for your common sense and your love for your neighbor.

holpopov

Steve,

You have a unique way of interpreting the bible, but I disagree with your interpretation. Yes, we need to love everyone the way Jesus loves us. The problem I have with this is that folks like you are passionate about causes personal to you only. Folks like you condemn illegal immigrants and do not see them as brothers in the gospel. Instead off supporting their plight you profess deportation. perhaps I'm wrong and you also have a Hispanic in your family. I hope you stick your neck out for them as well.

Jennifer

Thank you so much for this message of compassion and love. I was raised in the church and am now an atheist. The Christian community needs to be aware that nonbelievers are paying close attention to the hatred and intolerance roiling out of the church right now. Would the Jesus I was raised to believe in support homosexual marriage? I don't know. But I do know that the Jesus in the Bible wouldn't cross the street to cast a vote if there was a sick person to heal, a hungry person to feed, a sorrowful person in need of comfort. I just don't see that Jesus leading a get out the vote campaign! Do Christians who support Amendment One even know a gay person? Have they wrapped their arms around that person and loved them as they love themselves? What's a more effective way to address the sin in the sinner - loving them or stripping them of legal rights? So much of what I hear just plain disgusts me. You do good here, Steve.

April Valentine

One of the problems I have with what you are saying, Steve, is your focus on Jesus' love. How about His stance on sin. If Jesus tolerated what the Scriptures clearly have to say about sin, He wouldn't have had to die to save us from sin. Yes, we should love the sinner, but we are to hate the sin as God obviously does. Let's not confuse Jesus' love with tolerance of sin.

Cris Putnam

While its chocked full of emotional appeal, this is essay reveals some pretty sloppy thinking. When Jesus associated with the outcasts he called them to repentance. For instance, with the woman at the well he brought up her promiscuity. On the same sex "marriage" issue, the argument from silence actually works against you. Jesus did not say anything about bestiality or incest either did he? . Does that mean he thought it was acceptable? No -- of course he didn't he didn't need to, the Torah already had and Jesus affirmed the moral code. If Jesus had meant to overthrow the basic morality code, he would have made a special and specific statement, his silence works against you - it means he upheld it. The NT unequivocally recognizes it as against the creation order and is very clear that it is prohibited as grave sin (1 Cor. 6:9, Rom 1:24). It is not loving to endorse behavior that leads folks to hell. It also has nothing to do with equal rights.

Same sex couples have equal rights already, they have the same rights as everyone else. I do not have any rights that they do no t have. If they want to marry a person of the opposite sex they are free to do so. We have exactly the SAME rights. No one is free to marry anyone they "love" - we exclude all sorts of love relationships from marriage- for instance one may love their daughter or mother or pet parakeet but that doesn't mean we call that a marriage. If one's claim to "love" is the standard then what's to keep us from endorsing polygamy, incest, bestiality or anyone else's claim? After all they just want to marry who they "love" too -- right?

Tracy McCown LaFon

so wonderfully written and expressed! I tried myself to express why I would vote against this, especially as a Christian, but took some other paths. What you wrote I will share as your words but with my feelings as well. Nicely done.

here are the thoughts I tried to express on this matter.

http://icedkarmacoffee.blogspot.com/2012/05/sexuality-gender-marriage-no-family-is.html

Steve Lindsley

Thanks again for all your thoughts, both those who agree with me and those who do not.

I am sure at some point the comments here will subside, but right now they're coming in fast and furious. So let me just say that, as the person in charge of this blog, I reserve the right to remove any comment that does not express its opinion in a thoughtful and respectful matter. This goes for both "sides," if you will. I will not remove a comment simply because of the opinion it expresses, but will if it doesn't do it - surprise, surprise, in the loving spirit of Jesus.

So far the comments have all been respectful, and I greatly appreciate that. Just wanted to get this out there before the fact. Thanks for sharing.

Damond

Jesus wouldn't have voted. Jesus was not of this world.
And if you'll use Genesis as a backdrop, ask yourself why did God create Eve in the first place. On a lark, or whim ?

Matthew

Great post, Steve. It's quite sad when "Christians" are the first to judge and also the first to condemn judging. I don't think the writers of the Holy Bible had intentions of people using it as a weapon. However, that happens often; it's a sad thing. Jesus expressed love - not hate. Why do his follows enjoy speaking of his love but also using it to spread hate? I will never know the answer to that.

Eddie Bailey

Sir I am all for you expressing your opinion as to why you do not support the amendment but how dare you use the bible and faith as a reason to be against it. That is not only an affront to our Lord Jesus Christ but an outright blasphemy of His Holy written inerrant word. That flies totally in the face of every part of scripture and you have allowed the world to taint your view in the name of political correctness.. You speak of Jesus being an all inclusive and all loving being...but what about the parts where HE hates sin...where he overturned the money changers table because they were mocking the Temple...Sir you are also mocking the word of God by using it as a basis for your argument.

Eddie Bailey
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Tracey

This morning I am saying a prayer and thanking God for you - and for your ability to so eloquently put into words what has been in my heart and mind for the last several months. God bless you, your family and your ministry in Mt. Airy. This Christian, heterosexual, Republican female will join with you in voting against Amendment One.

Jessamyn

This is the most courageous and accurate defense I've read. You, sir, give Christians a good name.

Calli

Thank goodness we were all given the ability to 'free think'. There will always be a full spectrum of reasoning for anything called into question. God knew this from the very beginning with his 'experiment' called Creation. Answers were not meant to be had in this life, which is why there are so many interpretations. Being respectful of the differences and diversities is what makes it beautiful, but ultimately, pretty sure that God wanted to see if Humankind could put aside their differing opinions and be able to all co-exist as 'creations' of God.

April

Steve, Thank you for being human! To all of those on this post that have put Steve down I have a few questions and inturn answering them for yourself may open your heart! First question: Who created hermaphrodites? If you are not aware of what a hermaphrodite is I'll put it in layman's terms! Feel free to not trust me (as you should study to show thyself approved) and do your own research! A hermaphrodite is someone born with both male and female sexual orientations whether by having both male and female external organs or internal!Also ask yourself just because I cannot see it and do not have proof does that mean it does not exist? So in answering who created them let's ask the"Christian favorite" Does God make mistakes? Then let's ask this on, Throughout the course of our lives we say,do,don't do etc. a lot of things but when you are on your death bed leaving and you have something you want to say is it what you did in life that matters or the message you are now conveying as you breach the veiled threshold from thid world to eternity? We all know that if we(or someone you love is) are dying and struggling to speak that what they are saying will be the last words they ever leave for us this side of glory and that those words must be extremly important! Important enough to sum up their entire earthly life into few mortal words! So my question is now What were Jesus' last words to the world as he struggled for breath,going in and out of consciousness,between the veil of this world and eternity? In answering these questions also ask yourself whom God says will give account? And then it is your duty to search your own heart,not the heart the church says you are to have,not the heart that may have been beat into as a child but that still small voice that is not angry but longsuffering,the turn the other cheek voice and ask what shall I as a human do?

Trey Ragland

Steve, I don't know if you remember me. We used to play together back when we were in elementary school (at Lacy, I believe). I am against the Marriage Amendment because I am against any action that would make anyone feel unwelcome in our faith. Jesus Christ excluded no one, nor should we. When we actively seek out people and attempt to pass laws against them, we resemble Sadducees and Pharisees more than we do Jesus Christ. I fear that your opinion may get you in trouble with your community, but I appreciate your bravery in the face of this controversy. --Trey Ragland

Eddie Bailey

Steve. This is your exact words from above Thanks again for all your thoughts, both those who agree with me and those who do not.

I am sure at some point the comments here will subside, but right now they're coming in fast and furious. So let me just say that, as the person in charge of this blog, I reserve the right to remove any comment that does not express its opinion in a thoughtful and respectful matter. This goes for both "sides," if you will. I will not remove a comment simply because of the opinion it expresses, but will if it doesn't do it - surprise, surprise, in the loving spirit of Jesus.

So far the comments have all been respectful, and I greatly appreciate that. Just wanted to get this out there before the fact. Thanks for sharing.

yet you have repeatedly erased my comments over and over and I have yet to say anything hateful or disrespectful..I have mainly asked you to defend your position based on scripture after I have posted actual scripture..So you only want the opinions that agree with you and are afraid to deal with what Jesus actually said..You ought to be proud because your blog has spawned one of my own dealing directly with you and I challenge you to let it stay here and not be deleted and allow folks to draw their own conclusions without you silencing the opposition..but I doubt you will since you have deleted now 4 comments and not one comment in your thread is against your position..Suppose that is how you win the argument, by silencing the opposing view

http://furiouslongings.blogspot.com/

Robin Reaugh Dorko

Yes, Steve. Yes to all you said.
I believe there is one God, but we were sure all taught different ways of approaching Him.
I choose to believe in a God of love and gentle guidance, not a God of condemnation and fear.

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