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May 12, 2011

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Randy

Awesome! I am completely in support of 10A. You gotta love a church body that isn't hiding from this issue. I know it is tough, but I feel this is the right thing to do. Thanks for trying to clarify the subject for everyone.

Skip Greathouse

Bravo. A well stated explanation of a needed change, in my humble opinion. In my walk through life I've known wonderful, caring folks that happened to be gay who should be ordained to serve. To exclude then because of their orientation always bothered me. Perhaps now we can begin to move beyond our fear and on with God's work.

Beth

Thank you for your thoughtful reflections. Very well said!

Byron Wade

Dude - excellent post! Truly, you are the MAN!!

Andy Acton

Well said Steve. Thank you for sharing this post. Although there have been a number of individual church goers who have left their churches and the denomination (to become UCC or otherwise) because of Amendment B...it's striking to me how most everyone who has disagreed the prohibition of ordination of gays and lesbians remained in the church for 14 years, while those who are steadfast against the ordination threaten heresy, schism, split, and are not willing it seems to try living with things for 6 months or more.

Todd Harris

Steve: After reading your thoughts I feel I must respond... in the spirit of having "respectful conversations". And while I am not a member of your congregation I was raised a Calvinist so perhaps I am granted some license.

I would like to address where you apparently stand on this issue. It appears to me from my read that you justify this decision, in part, based upon the premise that homosexuality is not a sin. It certainly isn't PC these days to declare a lifestyle an abomination but that is the way scripture describes it. These are not my words. These are the words we try to live our lives by everyday... as given to us as divinely inspired scripture in the case of much of the Bible or as literally from the fingertip of the Almighty should one hold as conservative and orthodox Jews do concerning the first 5 books of the old testament or Torah. It is my understanding from a theological perspective that sin is sin and without our living sacrifice, Jesus Christ, all of us would be unable to enter into his presence... this being symbolized by the tearing asunder of the great vale which separated the sanctum sanctorum from the rest of the Temple. The end result of sin is an inability to obtain salvation... whether that sin be homosexuality or something our mortal minds deem somehow less on the sin scale such as lying, coveting etc. What passes under the bridge without enough inspection is the thought that seems to be presented: that God made me who I am so isn't this somehow acceptable? We are all imperfect... whether that imperfection being a propensity to covet or to engage in a homosexual sex act. What God has given us is the ability to choose... the ability to accept the sacrifice of his son or to reject him tho we be prodded by the Holy Spirit. In its simplest sense it is the decision to love him or not to love him. We have been given free will for without the ability to choose love of Him is rendered meaningless. What I see in 10-A is a willingness to accept sin and if sin is sin in the eyes of God why not choose to ordain and thereby condone the activities of thieves, murderers, coveters, gluttons etc.? Of course, the key difference here is that yes while there are these sinners who are currently serving in the capacities you mention in your blog they do not have a sign around their neck which says, euphemistically ... hug me I am a (fill in whatever sin you choose).

I sin everyday Steve and the part of me that is God's despises it. He wishes better for me. I once heard a rabbi discussing the many laws orthodox Jews keep and whether they should be thought of as a yolk to bear... the same commandments that Paul said found him "blameless under the law". The rabbi said God gave them because he loved us. He gave them so as prevent hurt and drama in our lives. He gave us rules much as we give our own children rules to keep them out of trouble. And much like our own, sometimes rebellious children, we choose to ignore the rules. This is why, like Paul, we needed something more than the law of Moses. We needed Christ.

I have read, with much chagrin, the recent story of the couple who refuse to divulge the gender of their child even to close friends and grandparents. Opting instead to give the child the gender neutral name of "Storm" and allowing, at time of the child's own choosing, he/she to determine its own gender. 10-A is much the same. Just as the authority figures (the parents) have allowed the child, the one who most needs structure, the one who most needs to rules, to make it up as he/she goes along 10-A does the same by condoning what God has clearly declared is a sin. The end result will be angst, heartbreak, drama, trouble or as the Bible so aptly puts it (thereby allowing us to physically FEEL the consequences) "weeping and gnashing of teeth".

It is this type of failure on the part of authority that so threatens the very fabric of our society.

Don McChesney

Todd, you said it just right. Many of us in the orthodox Christian community see that this is painful for PCUSA on both sides of the issue (and it is evident in Cynthia Bolbach's message). But to me what is so sad about the decision is that it hurts PCUSA most of all.

To the extent that Christian churches proclaim the Truth as revealed in Scripture, they are by and large successful as organizations. This is because humanity is hurting and there is only one remedy for the pain: The Truth (Jesus Christ). Predictably, coming to Christ feels like taking medicine. It doesn't always taste like we want. But for those whom God calls, the desire to be healed always overcomes our resistance to the taste of the medicine. As ministers of the Gospel, all we have to do is speak the truth in love and stand ready to come alongside all who respond.

When Christian churches start to pick and choose what to accept in Scripture, this very well may spell the beginning of the end for the institution. If a church of Jesus Christ doesn't hold to His revealed Word, then what does it have to distinguish itself from the world? Remember Matthew 10:34. Our job is not to please people. Our job is to please God. He has told us what is pleasing to Him in His word.

We cannot go wrong by holding tight to God's Word and we will certainly go wrong by neglecting it.

Peace.

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